One Country Project's Hot Dish

Well, welcome to the Hot Dish comfort food for middle America. Although I'm

not feeling very comforted. I'm Heidi Heitkamp. And I'm Joel

Heitkamp. We're gonna talk about the election, but we don't wanna

dwell just on that. We have more for you in this episode.

Joel, you were pretty busy again, and thanks for picking up the slack. You had

two really interesting interviews. We should share that you spoke

with Pete Yocum, the executive producer of the documentary

Odd Hours, no Pay, Cool Hat. That's

right. The documentary is about the lives and families of volunteer

first responders across the country. So Pete and I talked

about how he made the movie and its ultimate

message. Well, I mean, you and I spent a lot of

time with the first responder in our life, and that was our father, who was

chief of the volunteer fire department for years. And so I hope that

you told people where they can watch this documentary, because I think a lot of

people had our experience growing up. Yeah. And I think

Pete alone is definitely worth their time. Good. You also

had a really important conversation with Donovan

Archambault. He also wrote a book,

Failed Attempt to Kill the Indian. It's based on

his own experience, and it's a tribute to his tribal community

and really an important examination of

not where we've been, but also where we're going. So good on you,

Joel. You know, it really was, Heidi, a true honor, especially

for November, which is American Indian Heritage

Month. But before we get to that, Heidi, tell me what you think of the

election of Donald Trump and the Republican gains in

Congress. Well, you know,

disappointment, I think, would be a good response.

Disappointment that Kamala Harris and her team and

a number of Democrats didn't do better. But, you know, Joel,

I think hope is a terrible thing sometimes to have because

it will overwhelm your rational thinking. And my

rational thinking was, you can't have right track, wrong track numbers

the way that the administration had right track, round track numbers

and expect to win. And probably the only person she had a

chance of defeating was Donald Trump. And so, you know, in

some sad way, it's tragic that the Republicans

didn't have, let's say, a more conventional

candidate, because now we have four years of leadership that we've

seen before. And I've been watching, and you've been watching

some of the appointments to cabinet positions,

people who I think will lead with not knowledge in facts,

but ideology. And so elections have consequences. But

the worst thing for the Democratic Party is to assume

that this was some kind of Good Housekeeping

seal of approval on Donald Trump. I think Democratic Party

has to look in the mirror and examine why that party, which

we say is the party of working people, can't seem to

get working people to vote for him. Well, I think that's a perfect example,

Heidi, of why, you know, the hot dish in one country is so

important, because I think that we always mention middle America. But

it goes deeper than that. They. They have forgotten. And I wrote a blog about

this. I. I hope people go read it. Where can they read your blog? They

can read it@kfgo.com but I think lost in all of

this is that the Democratic Party no longer

talks to me. And I'm gonna give you a couple examples,

Heidi. They no longer talk to an individual that

is worried when deer hunting opens up. They no

longer talk to a guy that owns shotguns and rifles and, you

know, grew up in an era where, you know, pickups still matter

and actually still lives in that era. They no longer talk to a

guy who's more worried about what time the football game

starts than what time commentary is on

msnbc. I really believe that they

don't care about people that

haven't graduated college and might be

willing to wake up with a hangover. I mean, these people, Heidi, don't matter

to the Democratic Party anymore. I mean, that's part of what I talked about in

my blog, that it's not sexy to talk about, you know,

the sewer pipe. It's not. But the truth of the matter is, on

Christmas morning, it better work when the house is full of people

and, you know, the sewer pipe and the sewer system is brand new

or going to be brand new because of what Joe Biden did. But nobody talked

about that. Nobody did. You know, what I heard over and

over and over again were issues that didn't connect

with those men and women that really come from the

same background that you and I grew up with, Heidi. It was just

such an intellectual.

I don't know how to put it. Let me put it this way.

Snobbery. Elite. How's that? Is that a word? Elitist? Yeah.

Yep, it sure is. Well, and it's elite. The message

tends to be elite. And I also think, though,

that, you know, let's give her some credibility.

She stepped in really late. I think, you know, we at least

believed she had a chance. But at the end of the day, there

also is it. For some reason in this country, there

may be a bigger hurdle than what we care to admit for a woman,

especially a woman of color, to get elected the chief executive.

No, there's no question. I have five granddaughters and I wrote a note

to them right off the elect after the election of what they're up against

in this world, being girls now and future women

that I have no doubt they're going to, going to be leaders at some

point. The fact is it's harder for them. It's going to be harder for

them. I agree with you. We have to give her credit. It was not

her fault. She got thrown into the third end of the pool without

much time to really convey what the strategy was going to be.

But that doesn't change the fact that the party has been here

for a long time. If you look at who won, if you look at who

won, Joe Biden won. He beat Donald Trump,

albeit narrowly, but he beat him. And why? Because he

knows how to talk to the very people that I just mentioned.

He does. He can walk in the VFW hall, he can walk in the Legion

hall and feel comfortable. He can walk in that union

hall and know exactly how they live and what got

them to wear all of those stickers on their helmet.

Right. I mean, I don't think that Kamala Harris can do that. I don't think

many of the people that lead the Democratic Party can do that.

So let's give people some bright news. You know, we have said at one

country we've done numbers basically saying that

there isn't a lot of split ticket voting and there wasn't a lot of

split ticket voting here, but there was some. And that's how Tammy

Baldwin, that's how Slotkin, that's how

Gallegos, that's how Jackie Rosen, I mean,

you go down the line, split ticket voting delivered at

least four additional senators. And then there were senators

who couldn't overcome that headwind. And that's Jon

Tester who actually I think of all the senators running

probably did the best in terms of overcoming the headwind.

It just was so that the gale was too strong in

Montana. Sherrod Brown obviously

wasn't able to overcome the headwind. And

tragically, and they're all tragic, Bob Casey wasn't able to get

it across the finish line. And so we lost three great incumbent

senators, didn't have any pickups and then lost Joe

Manchin, which means that there now is a three vote majority for

the Republican Party in the United States Senate.

How do people who are listening to us, how do they get their

sense across of frustration that they have with the

direction of the party? Well, I think many of

them are going to look at different ways they can get

politically active. And that isn't going to be necessarily

through the party. And I'm sorry to say that, but it's not going to be.

The other thing is, and what I'm hearing from people here in the middle

of this country is, I quit. You know, I'm sorry,

but that's what they're saying is I quit. I'm hearing it on my

show, I'm hearing it from a lot of people. So they're talking

about doing exactly what we need to not do,

but they are talking about it because in one country

territory, there were out. Heidi. Yeah, but admit it, Joel,

didn't you want to say, I'm done, I quit. I went media

blackout is what I did. Hey, by the way, I saw the

cookies. I saw the dinner rolls. You could have sent me a few. Cookies

for those listeners out there. I'm convalescing by taking up

baking. I'm done raising pumpkins now. And so I bake

cookies and dinner rolls in the last couple of days. But I

mean, here's the truth. If you want

to sit there as a person and say, look,

these people, the Trump people get to define me, then

fine, quit, then quit. But if, and I'll

use this scenario of dad again, right? Go ahead, quit.

Go home. You don't got to play anymore, but you're going to miss playing ball.

I mean, we're about to find out how vicious this all

can be. And we're going to. We are absolutely going to.

And so if you just want to sit back and watch, sit back and watch.

But I think in the middle of this country, what, what the leader,

whoever that future leader is, needs to call

people from the middle of this country and say, come talk to

me, I need to talk to you. I was in a cab on the way

back from New York doing television for almost 36 hours

straight. And, you know, I, I, I, I put on the happy face,

Joel, and you know, I was ready to not be happy face.

And, and the cab driver felt so bad for me, he got

out and gave me, he's Nigerian.

And I hadn't cried until then. And he just, he was

Nigerian and immigrant, told me how hard he works, told me that he too

had cried. And, and then he said, but never forget this.

This is the most wonderful, beautiful country in the history of

the world. And it really took kind of that calibration. And

I thought, okay, you could quit. You can sit on the sidelines,

but you're going to get the same result. And this

administration now has to govern. I want to take a picture

of the price of eggs. I want to take the picture of a price of

a loaf of bread. And then every week, say, hasn't come

down yet. Here's the picture. A lot was

promised. I don't know how he can possibly

deliver the kind of bread and butter, meat and potatoes, or

macaroni and cheese promises that were made. I don't think it's

going to happen. And, you know, the accountability that

we can, in fact, be responsible for, because that is the

job of the opposition party. The accountability is a huge

part of, hopefully, the strategy. Well, but I would add

this. I agree with your Nigerian friend or your new Nigerian

friend. I agree with him. This is a great

country. I don't dispute that. But what we also found out about this

country is we're not that different than other

countries. I mean, we're not. You know, I know that sounds

negative. I don't care. It's something we need to take a

step back and ask ourselves how we fix.

Because what we found out was we could

elect an individual where it doesn't

matter if eggs go up under his watch. It

only mattered if eggs went up under the previous

watch. And until the American people can get done

idolizing someone like him, we're not going to move forward.

And I've got one more point to make, Heidi. On my show,

when I say. Because the majority of my audience is Republican,

very, very conservative Republican, when I say to them,

look, this is the man that you want your kids

to emulate. This is the man that. That you are

proud to have as president and that you love.

My phone lines light up. They just light up. They say that's not what we.

That. I bet you they're all really defensive. Nope, nope, nope, nope,

nope, nope. I just like his policies. I just, like. I just.

I don't care much for him. I just. Yeah, you do care

for him, because he's going to be that Grover

Cleveland face above the blackboard. Yeah.

Now there is no blackboard anymore, I realized. But those little

circle pictures that were above that blackboard in Mrs.

Stack's room matter to me. And you know what?

They just elected a convicted rapist felon.

And it doesn't matter what eggs are to these

guys. It matters whether or not they get to be close to

him and whether or not they get to be as cool as

him. And so, Heidi, we proved

that we can be a country no different than many other

countries. And that doesn't mean I don't love this country. Yeah.

Okay. Well, listen, Joel, it's always fun. We're going

to continue to be here and we're going to continue to talk and we're going

to continue to be a voice for real America. So this isn't the last

conversation, but we're going to move forward from here and listen to Joel

and Donovan.

You know, this is a real honor for me, ladies and gentlemen. I get a

chance to visit with Donovan Archambault. He is a tribal

member, born in Fort Belknap, Montana. Now,

you can't just easily go through his resume or his

life, quite frankly. He went to Harvard, holds a master's of

education degree, served as director of the tribal health

Department, later his tribal planning department. But here's, here's one

for you folks. 16 years on the tribal council, including

two as chair. We're going to talk to him about his

book, Tatanga Hoksheen. A Failed Attempt

to Kill the Indian is the name of the book. It's a work

of fiction, but unfortunately there's just a lot of

truth in of it. Donovan Arshambo, thank you for joining

us, sir. It's a real honor. Thank you for having me, sir. I hope

I can add some things to what happened to us

in boarding schools and things that the

need to they talk about. You

bet they do. And clearly by reading some

of the excerpts of the bill or the book, I should say

they do need to talk about it. Now this, the plot of this book is

about a 10 year old that was, that was forced

into the pier Indian school in South Dakota, government

institution with one goal and that was to kill

the Indian, save the man. What does that mean,

Mr. Arshambeau? Well, it means that we had to make

a drastic change in our whole culture,

religion, our whole lifestyle. And

what it's done to us is evident today

in all these social ills and the high statistics

of Indian alcoholism, drug abuse,

suicide and things like that. And I didn't even know the

word suicide. Never even heard of it before I went

to boarding school. And not that boarding school is

a direct result of it, but it shows

that it possibly could BE so.

The US Department of the Interior has identified

408 government backed Indian schools in

37 states over 150 years. I grew

up right next to one of those in the

Sistinhwapatin Lakota tribe. The schools

forced children to have English names and work manual

labor. Did that actually happen to you as well,

Donovan? Well, that happened to us before I

went down and I had my English name, but living with

my grandfolks, my name was Totonga Hoshide. That's what

I answered to. So I had a home name and a school name

when I started school, but my name was

already Donovan Archamble when I went to

Pierre. So really, the name you

use in the book is your name. I realize this is a work of

fiction, but it certainly is patterned after

your life. I want people to understand that are

taking in this conversation what that was

like, what the book not just portrays,

but actually did happen. If you would, sir. Well,

I would say that probably 90% of the

things that I write about actually happened.

They happened to myself. And in some instances

I didn't remember the person's name. And

so I can insert other names or my own

name and things that happened, but the actual

events, the things that I write about

actually happened. There was some

things I had to kind of fill in because I didn't

remember the exact details of how it

actually happened or I was there, but I wasn't

in the immediate location where it actually happened. And

I heard some of the events that happened from my

friends and from other matrons, teachers and things like

that. With your background as an educator, as

someone so highly educated, as somebody who

worked within the tribe to try to make lives better,

I guess I gotta ask you this. How many people do you

think know what you're writing about here?

Well, I believe other than tribal

members and the students that I went to school with,

I think very little of the greater

population know these things actually happened. I know

we tried to tell other people, but we were

labeled liars or fabricators or something

that, no, this really didn't happen. And I went

to Carlisle in 1990 and

sat on the panel discussing things that

happened there. And on that panel there was a

priest, myself, some historian,

reporter and a teacher. Some. There was

five of us on the panel and I mentioned the fact

that, yeah, there was abuse, sexual abuse, and

the priest was on the other end of the table from me, stood up

and looked directly at me and said, now that can be true because

our people aren't like that. And I told him, father, are you calling

me a liar? I don't let anybody call me a liar. And if you don't

apologize, I'm coming down there. And of course

he apologized. The colonel sat me back down

and I came home after that. And three weeks

later, or a month later, three inch headlines in the Boston

Globe. Priests molest altar Boy and all hell broke

loose. I reported that in 1951.

But it had no consequences except me getting beat up

because I said something about the priest and it

didn't sit well with the administration and I was

punished for that. I want to talk to you about

the way you chose to tell this story through

fiction. Why did you choose fiction to tell this?

Basically, it's a true story. Well, basically I didn't

remember a lot of the names. I didn't remember the

exact times, the dates. I didn't remember exactly

from one year to the next because they all kind of ran together.

You know, there was no break, there was no going home, no listening to

your grandparents, no listening to your parents. My

parent down there was a whistle. The whistle blew at 6:00.

You jump up, make your bed. Whistle blew again. You lined up, you've done your

exercise. Whistle blew again. You went to dining hall at

8. Whistleblow again. He lined up, went to

school, whistleblow again. So that was my, that was

my parenting experience at Pier. And

so, you know, we really didn't have any kind of direction

except do what we tell you. We marched every

place two by two, to school, to the dining hall,

to church, to wherever we went. And it was a big

tongue, military practice on how we were

taken care of. How did you get into the

school? What, what was the reason that I don't know if I

should use the word enrolled or placed or. How did you get

into the school, Mr. Archambault? My mother and father

separated and we were more or less orphaned.

My mother still cared for us, did the best she

could. But although there was about six or seven of us still at

home. So we had a choice. We either had to go to

boarding school or we had to go to a foster home. And one of my

uncles wanted to keep us, keep me anyway. And the

social services here at the bureau wouldn't allow it because he

already had five or six kids of his own. So I had,

like I said, I had a choice of foster home or peer. So I

chose peer because I heard all the wild stories about

foster homes and how kids were training and so I chose

boating school. Ladies and gentlemen, you're listening to Donovan

Archambault, a member of the Assiniboine tribe.

His new BIC is just absolutely

amazing. Basically something that is

focused on a failed attempt to kill the Indian. You

talked about suicides, but one of the

points, you know, as you look at it, the US Department of the Interior

identifying those 408 government backed

Indian schools in 37 states over 150

years. They talk about hundreds of children

dying in these schools, hundreds dying.

I actually had a couple of my family members that went to

Pier actually commit suicide. One shot herself

and the other one just Drake himself. Death, broken

artery somewhere and bled to death leaning over a toilet bowl. That's

how he died. But he stayed drunk almost his whole life.

And to me, alcoholism is suicide. You know, once

you start that and you don't get away from it, it's going to kill you.

And that's suicide to me. I stayed drunk for 25

years trying to wash away the shame and the anger

that we acquired going to school. I want to talk

about people recognizing and basically

respecting your life and others that you write about in this

book. I want to talk, if we can, a little bit about

testifying and publicly sharing, because clearly

that's what you're doing here. Is there responsibility there,

sir? Definitely. I think the responsibility is with the

federal government, is if you can teach us all

these things that have brought us to where we're at now,

then we can. We can unlearn those kind of things and get

back on the right track. In my class, I teach

my students. You know, we're sitting on a fence now, a fence here.

The old way and the new way. The old way, we

had respect, discipline. We respected our parents. We

never answered back. The new way, we're alcoholic,

drug addicts, and we know that didn't work for us. So

we have an opportunity, and I think it falls

on everybody from the parents to Congress to

wherever we have, to begin to teach the values

that made us who we are in the beginning. That's what I'm

trying to teach. I'm trying to say we need to go back to

when your parents tell you to go wash

dishes and go wash dishes. What is a society

do we need to do? I think the

society had an opportunity to look at what was

going on from the very beginning. But there's only one

man that I read about. He's my favorite

artist, and that's C.M. russell. In one of his

books, he drew a picture of an Indian sitting in the shade of his

horse. And the caption under that picture was, the

red man is the true American. He is almost gone

now. The earth was his mother, son was his God,

and all Outdoors was his Bible, and he knew

every page. But he's the only one that

seen us like that, and Nobody heard him. Mr. Archambault,

this has been a real honor. DONOVAN Archambault,

Senior I would say it's safe to say you Found your

purpose, sir. Thank you for joining us on One Country. Thank you for having

me.

I'm excited to talk to Pete Yokum about his documentary

film Odd Hours, no Pay, Cool Hat. Five

years ago, he began a project focusing on volunteer

firefighters and the risks they take for their communities,

especially rural America. And that's daily

in his movie. He dives deep into the lives

and families of volunteer first responders spread

across the country. And Pete began this film as a personal quest to

find the answers to the question, why would anybody do

it? Why would somebody put themselves in harm's way

while leaving their job and family to respond to a neighbor's

emergency with little or no pay? Pete,

thanks for joining me on the Hot Dish. Appreciate it, Joel. You know, I'm just

going to be upfront with you, Pete. All I saw was the trailer, but after

seeing the trailer, I'm going to see it. I'm going to see the work.

Because what you just showed is really the world I live

in. Well, it's worth it. You'll be able to see it on some of the

PBS stations coming up here soon. But you can also

download it in the full original version from

Apple, from Amazon Prime. You can even get it

on airplanes for longer flights. Something started this up.

Something got in your head. Why the project? Now, let me make

sure you know the name of it, folks. Odd Hours, no Pay,

Cool Hat. Which, by the way, in and of itself is a cool

name, Pete. But something made you do this. What was it?

I wanted to find a project that

would allow me to prove to myself that

Americans are a lot more similar than politicians and

social media channels would have us believe. So I

began looking for Americans that were contributing something

very significant to our society, but who weren't very

well known or recognized for that contribution.

Okay, well, how did you pick them? Because

you and I both know there are so many

individuals out there that fit the criteria of the

story you're trying to tell. I mean, something made you

decide which ones were going to be the focus. What made you pick them?

I had a hunch that I'd end up focusing on volunteer

first responders. And I did a lot of due diligence and research and

realized, unlike the career fire departments, where, you know,

Hollywood makes movies that are drama movies, there

is very little that was told about the volunteer

first responder sector. So first I set off sort

of driving around the country with one of my retrievers and

started looking for that project. My

wife, understandably, did not know what the hell I was doing, nor

why? And eventually I found my way to

Hoxie, Kansas, where I met Steve Hirsch, who's one of the

most extraordinary people that I've met in my

life. He's been a volunteer firefighter for 44 years. He serves

as the chairman of the National Volunteer Fire Council. He's a

prosecutor for several of the rural counties in northwest Kansas. He

prepares 1500 tax returns for his neighbors each year.

He's a very, very productive guy. And we hit

it off almost instantly. After I

told him about my project, he just essentially opened

up the book for me in terms of contacts, of

ideas, associations with the National Volunteer Fire Council.

And initially, you're right, this started out as

a personal quest to answer that question.

But after I started visiting

with hundreds of volunteer first responders,

I realized that this was a far bigger project than what I had

originally imagined. The public is just generally unaware of that.

And they constitute more than two thirds of all U.S. firefighters.

The economic contribution to our

population is enormous, and it's especially critical, as you say,

to those areas that they can't afford a full time fire service. Pete, I don't

want to say recovering because, you know, I loved it,

but I'm a former rural firefighter. I lived in a town and

I worked out of a town with 100 people in it when that whistle

went off, and that's how we knew the whistle blew in that small

town, everybody came running. But that's small

in comparison to my dad. My dad was real fire chief for

30 years. And one of the things that both Heidi and I cherish the

most is that that badge, that fire

chief badge, there's a lot of pride to that. And

I think in large part because of the volunteerism,

it isn't just fighting fire or fighting that

accident or getting the ambulance there, those type of things.

And so, you know, all of that is challenges for you

to tell that story had to be challenging.

I mean, what were you faced with while you went about being in a

rural area and telling a story that very few people know

in urban areas? You know, I won't call it challenging because

I found it one of the most rewarding things I've ever done in my

life. A lot of those interviews were done during COVID

so that was kind of a challenge. I purchased a sprinter

van, fully self contained, and drove around and visited

these places that were, you know, trails in

sort of places in many cases. But I was just so

welcomed and well received the challenges really well

in filming this, first, raising the money. But second,

I took my library of interviews and took 10

minutes of them out, turned it into what I call

like the pitch video, and went out

to a list of about a hundred different US

Corporations where I thought this would be received well. But I ended

up getting through to John Deere

and realized that I had found the needle in the haystack there

because John Deere himself had been a volunteer firefighter

when he started John Deere. So that

part sort of took care of itself. But then when we

went out and we did a casting call with the assistance of the National Volunteer

Fire council, we got 900 responses when we were

expecting 50. So originally we were going to

do three venues around the country, but when we got these

responses which were just

heartwarming, well, we went to John Deere and they said, well, let's just

increase the scope of the project. So we went to eight different

venues, eventually dropping one, but it did expand the

project significantly and the budget. So John Deere was

extremely generous as they helped us through this process.

When you do a piece like this, there's going to be some people that you

instantly think of, that you think this story

of this person has to be told. They're all, to your

point, they're big hearted and generous and so

forth. I guess I would say my favorite

is Barbara Williams. Barbara was

62 or 3, her husband retired and she went

into the local fire department there in Little

Fork, Virginia and wanted to be, you know, a

secretary, bookkeeper, accountant. And they said, no, no, no, no,

no. And now she's the head EMT for the fire

department and she's been there for 11 years. And she

was generous enough to allow me to pull into her home and

hook a power cord up so I could stay there. But we sat,

you know, for hours and hours and hours before the film crew

arrived, talking about her situation there and

what experience she had. Pete, in my

time as a real firefighter, it was all men. It was all men.

That was just the custom. And then you know what?

It happened. Not just because of fairness, actually, it

happened because some of the rural fire departments were running out

of people to be members and to do that. And then they

went to a place they should have gone a long time ago, which was to

recruit women to join that force. And to me, I

always thought they found out, and I'm fairly confident I'm right about this, that

why the hell did we have them on the force earlier? My

prediction is that half of the recruits that we

generate will be women. Yep. And

it makes for nothing but a better firefighting

department. Pete, I know I keep going back in time here, but

the one reason I do that is to emphasize, you know, what

you found and how that's changed, how professional it

is now. And I still have this image of my dad

running and my mom worried about what he's going to

come back like, I mean, that's. They were going to

a place that's incredibly dangerous.

Absolutely. I think that people don't realize

that they appreciate the fact that firefighters are out there on the front

line. But many of these individuals that are

volunteering are going through the same anxiety, for

lack of a better way of putting it. If somebody's in that house, they're going

to go in that house and get them. And so I'm

curious what that person that was involved with the

firefighter, whether it was the husband or the wife, did you get a

chance to visit with them? Oh, absolutely.

I interviewed a lot of spouses of firefighters

and ask them the same question. I can't

overemphasize the notion that these

volunteer fire departments, they become a family

for the individuals who join them. And their

support system is very strong. And so that

extends just way beyond just the firefighter. It extends to their

family and everything else. Well, Pete, I only have

182. I was sitting here counting 182

other subjects I want you to do documentaries on now

that I think in some of the rural areas, the stories

need to be told. But is there anything else? Is there anything else that

you want to tell the listeners of one country? Just keep the

faith. Oh, Pete, thank you for doing this. I really

look forward to it. And I can tell you this, if it does nothing

else, giving those individuals the honor that they deserve

and the gratitude they deserve is awesome.

We've been hearing from a number of you, and we'll be getting your

questions in the next episode of the Hot Dish. Remember, you can

email

us@podcastonecountryproject.org

that's podcastonecountryproject.org.

Well, Joel, thank you for not making me feel better today,

but thank all of our listeners for joining us. The Hot

Dish is brought to you by One Country Project, making sure the

voices of the rest of us are heard in Washington. Learn

more@onecountryproject.org we're going to be back in

two weeks with more Hot Dish comfort food for middle America.